Darkfall Vs WoW

[Bob]

:-P

www.worldofwarcraft.com

Features list of WoW:
- Your character will auto attack for melee and archery once an enemy has been targeted
- majority of spells and attacks have autoaim and hit automatically.
- Complete quest system to take you from levels 1-80
- Lore based depth to quests
- 4 races per faction and multiple classes
- Instances grouped for multiple level types, and no one is gonna come crash your party once you enter the instance.
- PVP and PVE servers
- Realid system for communication with friends
- Arena for pvp rankings
- Battlegrounds for instant action
- 4 unique continents
- 2 factions, no communication between.
- rare gear from raids. You cannot craft the best gear in the game, most is attained from raids
- auction house
- You cannot attack members of your own faction, you can only duel them, which doesnt :"completely" kill them.
- You can only attack a member of an enemy faction if they are flagged for PVP
- No limit to how many character you can create on many different servers
- World pvp hotspots as well as a interesting world PVP battlefeild on Northrend that is fun to hit up.
- Easy to pick up and play.
- Paid name, race changes, faction changes and server transfer.
- Polished, (you would hope after 8 years)
- impossible for a level 1 to kill a level 80. Except if the level 80 is afk and even then it will take forever. (In darkfall a newbie can kill the highest level player much easier. Therefore it's difficult but feasible for someone to be viable from day 1 in Darkfall but not in WoW. )
- Floating names and autolock always give away a position of a character. Plus attacks autohit so its impossible to hide unless you have a rouge skill to go stealth.

[Bob]

www.darkfallonline.com

Features list of darkfall:

-unpolished (but its only been out for a little over a year and is the companies first game. September enhancement patch is suppose to fix all issues)
- largest game world of it's kind, over 10,000 players per server.
- 1 huge continent and 4 small ones. landmass 3X bigger then WoW's
- Attack any player of any race and faction at any time. The only time a player is safe is their first 24 hours for newbie protection
- craft almost ANY item in the game. 90% of best items are creatable and do not drop off mobs. Some items are exclusively crafted in other words they can only be created by player charecters so you can only obtain them by building them and or stealing them from another player. Other items, such as house deeds drop off of mobs and only drop off of mobs.
- Fight on mounts which can be captured or killed : Mounts do not drop off mobs and must be crafted.
- Fight on ships which can be destroyed, boarded and commandeered. : Ships must be crafted
- Deploy cannons to seige cities
- Contruct cites
- Deploy cannons on the walls of your cities for defense. Contruct gates that open and close to provide access to your cites
- Shoot at coastal cities from your ships and defend your coastal cities from ships with your cannons on your walls.
- Seize villages for tax money
- Kill a player and get the oppotunity to loot all their stuff
- Level skills by using them, no one in game knows how strong or how weak you are which allows for deception. Your skill level is not known like in WoW
- No floating names, no radar. Use crouch walk, camouflage and realistic stealth to play as a rouge
- No auto attack, you click for every sword swing
- No auto aim, FPS style you must aim every arrow and spell.
- Monsters gain skill. The Monsters of Agon skill up as well if you do not kill them.
- Although unlikely it is possible to kill a full leveled charecter as a newbie from day 1.
- No instances, anyone can show up in the dungeon your in and crash your party
- Full communication with all factions. You can send tells to any player.
- Towers protect NPC cities but your still not entirely safe there.
- Alignment system that rewards the good and punishes the bad. If you kill to many players you go "red" which means that you cant go to your races NPC cites without being attacked.
- NPC starter cities provide multiple "Quests" and more are being added with each patch.
- No auction houses. Players MUST trade in person. (auction houses will not be added to the game in the future because it destroys the hardcore aspect of the game. And eliminates possible trade disputes and PVP over trade disputes)
- 1 character per server
- No duels. Every fight is for real. You can even kill a member of your own clan and take all their stuff.
- own a player house. Your player house has a door that locks. Your door can be bashed down by other players but only with seige hammers. Grow crops in your garden and buy furtnature.
- Players who own houses pay taxes on them and the taxes go to the bank of the clan that owns the village. Villages can be seize by different clans every 8 hours. Villages and Cities are different. Cities are build by a clan and can be seiged at any time but are very hard to take unless you have a large army deployed as the defenses are very strong.
- No race or class restrictions on gear an items. Even though only specific races can MAKE some things and mounts you can still use them if you kill someone and take their stuff..
- If you die by a player, a monster a clanmate or anyone...you stuff is left where you die for anyone to loot. Killing someone doesn't give you first dibs on the loot. Anyone can loot, including the person who just died if they make it back to the body in time...also random people can loot and (monsters are suppose to be able to loot in the future too)

- Clans can choose to accept only one racial faction or all of them. You can be an unaligned clan or a good or evil clan. You can ally only racial or alignment allies or ally non-racial allies. It doesnt matter. Any race can live out of player cites, only NPC towers KOS racial enemies.

[dan]

Quick question, when are you going to get the fact that we don't want to play darkfall into your head? Just asking. I know I have no desire to play it all as its not a game style I like.

[Bob]

I think Paul would...if it was free.

So far ive gotten Wade, Jim Murray and Kraz to try it.

Wade played for 5 months, became leader of our clan and then left for EVE

Jim liked the concept but went back for EVE

Kraz hated it. Then figured out the UI and controls and said it was decent.

I bet my money id show you a good time if you subbed up for the trial.

[dan]

You also have info on WoW wrong:
There are 5 races per faction
You can miss attacks
You can turn off floating names
There are siege battle grounds
Arenas still suck
There are RPPVE and RPPVP servers not just PVP PVE
Skill levels for weapons which change as you level and can still be at 0 when your at 80 if you haven't worked on said skills
Some of the best items are Crafted
You can kill members of your own faction in certain areas: Arena's, And the World PVP Arena in STV
You can become KOS in neutral cities by attacking guards, or other players there so they are not completely Safe
I could go on but I don't want to think more right now.

[Bob]

syncaine.wordpress.com/2008/02/13/sandbox-or-theme-park/

I guess you cant really compare the two because one is sandbox and the other theme park. They are different genres altogether...

www.thatsaterribleidea.com/2010/01/themepark-mmo-design-content-problem.html

www.thatsaterribleidea.com/2010/01/themepark-mmo-design-optimizing-reward.html

I think you missed the point concerning floating names tho.

If I turn off my floating names in WoW it puts me at a visual disadvantage because the other players will still see MY name. In darkfall everyone is the same...no floating names unless you have your tiny cross-hair directly on the person which makes hiding easier.

To be fair however the best thing about Darkfall WoW did do first. The Siege towers in darkfall that are only steal-able every 12 days are the biggest fights on the server. WoW did it first with WOTLK. I will admit that. That open world seige arena was a big inspiration for some of the more controlled (but fun) features of Darkfall.

[Paul]

I don't like PVP and from what you describe I'd rather play WoW.

Almost everything you said about WoW is what I prefer in a game.

I don't like to dance around like a fool to hit something. I want to play an MMO not a FPS.

I like quests.

The only thing that WoW has that I don't like is the raiding to get the better gear. I am more of a solo player and don't like to do the group things.

I wouldn't want my gear taken either, I said before I don't like PvP.

I thought you could own a house in WoW?
I had my own house in Asheron's Call. Very nice but really wasn't helpful.

Would I try it?
Yea.
Am I going to?
Nope.

To each their own, I am getting close to creating Bob you own promotional dark fall forum. There really isn't any point to keep hashing this out.

[dan]

There isn't player housing in WoW as of yet. Its something they have talked about from time to time jmust havne't put in. That being said I like how EQ2 has done their player houseing. You can keep Trophies on the wall of kills via pictures taken at the kill of boss, or from getting legendary weapons. In WoW you can play solo and just do random pugs to get some gear, which isn't the best but still decient. You get badges to buy the newest teir gear from them also.

[Bob]

Paul, put your game announcements on a new forum for "next game announcements"

Your suppose to be able to talk about anything here per the title.

I only need one thread for Darkfall...but you deleted my old one.

P.S Paul Asherons call is the game that basically INSPIRED Darkfall.
That and Ultima Online.

WoW was inspired by Everquest and FFXI, however EQ was inspired by Asherons call as well some dev notes state. So WoW is indirectly an inspiration of AC although the devs didnt really gain anything from the source directly, they mostly perfected EQ. However the game is nothing like UO, the last game that came out that was like UO (before darkfall) was Shadowbane....

WoW and EQ also have their differences:
- EQ 1 dungeons are not instanced like in WoW
- EQ 1 factions are KOS to each other but you can still communicate to enemy factions in WoW you cant whatsoever

Wow took EQ1 improved the graphics and gameplay, made the factions more divided and segregated then EQ and made most of the funnest stuff instanced.

[Paul]

Aug 12, 2010 14:14:26 GMT -6 Bob said:

Paul, put your game announcements on a new forum for "next game announcements"

Your suppose to be able to talk about anything here per the title.

I only need one thread for Darkfall...but you deleted my old one.

Excuse me?

Am I seeing this clearly?

You are telling me where to put my own announcements on my own forum?

If you needed only one thread for darkfall then why do you keep posting them? I counted three I archived and I am sure there were others that were deleted.

I'll create a Darkfall forum for you.

All of your darkfall threads have been restored and moved.

[Bob]

Aug 12, 2010 18:28:26 GMT -6 Paul said:

Aug 12, 2010 14:14:26 GMT -6 Bob said:

Paul, put your game announcements on a new forum for "next game announcements"

Your suppose to be able to talk about anything here per the title.

I only need one thread for Darkfall...but you deleted my old one.

Excuse me?

Am I seeing this clearly?

You are telling me where to put my own announcements on my own forum?

If you needed only one thread for darkfall then why do you keep posting them? I counted three I archived and I am sure there were others that were deleted.

I'll create a Darkfall forum for you.

All of your darkfall threads have been restored and moved.

You are reading it correctly, but I would never tell you anything.
This just was a very strong suggestion.
This forum doesnt have a section right now to "shoot the shit".

The General section would be that place, but highly important annoucements would get bumped from the feed if we actually shot the shit there. So I was just saying...

If you want to keep your annoucements in the general section then how about adding a simple "off-topic" section where we can actually post random CRAPOLZA.

I know one of your pet peeves is having someone tell you how to run YOUR party, you always complained about the old guys doing that. But you have to admit it was a good suggestion.

Now make me admin of all your forums. All your base are belong to us er I mean just me.